I generated two maps using 1.4.2, shutting down Minecraft completely and relaunching between the builds (I saw a bug report somewhere, can't remember whether it was here or Minecraft Wiki, where Superflat chunks loaded into a freshly generated Default world of the same name, and wanted to avoid all possibility of encountering that bug during this test.)
The cave structures have a few very minor differences with 1.4, and the abandoned mine configurations are identical between 1.4 and the two 1.4.2 worlds (while in-game, I also noted there was a pig in both of the 1.4.2 worlds on the floor of the ravine at x+182, z+228 approximate.) The cave configurations were identical between the 1.4.2 worlds. The surface configurations were identical between 1.4.2 (both worlds) and 1.4.
However, I noticed something very peculiar in both of the 1.4.2 worlds that did not exist in the 1.4 or 12w27a worlds: There is a Stronghold very close to spawn, End Portal located at x+100 z+89. Since I've heard some horror stories about pre-1.9Pre3 generated worlds resulting in Eyes of Ender leading to useless locations, I am concerned the same might happen to my New Players' Guide world when I get to my "The End" episodes.
The Minecraft Wiki bug tracking pages included a category for "Annoyances" where behaviour appears to be intended, but is inappropriate, sometimes very much so. Mojang listens, otherwise you wouldn't see stuff like "Wooden half-blocks now act as wood" and "Changed method of placing sideways wood logs".
As for world generation: First, I've spotted "Minor additions to the world generator" in the blog, so it isn't totally undocumented by Mojang. Second, changing the world generator can and does piss off an awful lot of people:
Confirmed; chase led to update on Minecraft Wiki. Bug affects version 1.2.2. Workaround: Keep only one profile, then log out functions normally. If on a multi-user installation where you can't do this, edit the launcher_profiles.json in /.minecraft as described in an earlier comment.
Something I forgot to add is that you have to select something other than "Close launcher when game starts" in your profile to be able to log out at all, even normally. This sort of practice (default-to-insecure) is something that I disagree with, but unfortunately, it is normal (I almost always see "Stay logged in" or "Remember me on this computer" checked by default on login pages; unfortunately, settings of my browser and those of public workstations to sandblast themselves every time they're closed do not affect Minecraft!)
Mine started crashing in Minecraft 1.7.3 release (no fix in 1.7.4), seems to be coincidental with Twitch support announcement. Latest is that works for me is 13w49a. JRE is 7.0_45-b18; Mobile Intel 965 Express with drivers 8.15.10.1867 (confirmed up-to-date) and a Graphics Media Accelerator library that is newer than the latest one I can download (according to the setup program of the latest one I can download.) My ticket is MC-42345; Tails "resolved" it like a bot.
By the way, I went to Mojang support first and was referred here by Nasim.
Question: Is it related to Twitch integration? If so, can you offer a non-Twitch version? I'm quite certain that there are a heck of a lot more people who'd like to play Minecraft on marginal hardware than there are people who want to stream their games on Twitch all the time.
In my case (Intel 965 Mobile Express) the break happened between Snapshot 13w49a and Release 1.7.3. Might I suggest for the guy mucking with the description (Galaxy_2Alex) to fix it like this:
"For now, you can still play 1.7.2 or older versions of the game. [good instructions] ... You can also try snapshots by checking 'experimental development versions("snapshots")'
"If you are new to Minecraft, and have a laptop with an a built-in (integrated) graphics card, rather than a dedicated card, it is highly suggested that you try the demo before purchase."
If that last bit sounds familiar, it's because I cut-and-pasted it from https://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/325948-minecraft-system-requirements I think it belongs here because Paul Faure and others "paid money for this software, so if it does not work on hardware/software which came out this year..." and it wouldn't be good PR to ignore that.
What has me quite concerned and frustrated is that this break, for me and many others happened on a minor version change... a bugfix release. If my dollar store GPU were butthurt from a major update (i.e. 1.6.4 to 1.7 or (especially) an intervening snapshot), it is perfectly understandable, and therefore easy for me to quietly accept that I need a new toaster. Where it actually happened, between a bugfix snapshot and a bugfix release, is what makes it a major WTF moment for me.
Here's a thought for perhaps making Minecraft 1.7.5 the last version that'll work for these systems: Was the LWJGL library changed between 13w49a and 1.7.3? If so, can it be rolled back (perhaps with the loss of Twitch integration support, the feature that I suspect is causing the problem with 965)? I'm going to try that myself, pop the NIC and see if it changes the behaviour of 1.7.3. See you later.
And... it turns out that Minecraft appears to be using LWJGL 2.8.4 and the current version is 2.9.1. Updating it to the latest version had no effect on the behaviour of 1.7.3 or 1.7.4, which still crashed at ig4dev32.dll+0x3e88 (that is always where 1.7.3 and 1.7.4 crashes on my system.)
Were the Twitch libraries brought in 1.7.4? It breaks at 1.7.3 for me. I think it might be useful to know what's actually causing the break Also did you mean "increment" instead of "increasment"? If not, I'm not familiar with the latter term.
Finally, are the Twitch libraries needed for anything more than live streaming? Minecraft is the only game that I've ever heard of that boasts of built-in screen broadcasting support, and I seriously doubt that it is an appropriate feature in any game unless there is a bona fide requirement for the game's multiplayer functionality. I'm not going to be particularly impressed if this is really the reason I can't play the latest versions.
Still confused on "increasment" vs. "increment"...
I couldn't test 13w47a, but 13w47e is working okay on my system. I certainly agree with, "you cannot please everybody", but that sharpens a point I made earlier: if integrated Twitch support is causing this problem, it is probably frustrating more users than it is pleasing. We probably agree that while you can't please everyone, it still makes sense to please as many players as you can.
As for those new zombies, they can eat this as far as I'm concerned Please remember though, if the game won't start up at all, problems caused by changes to mob behaviour are entirely academic, Twitch streaming even more so.
Terry Wilson
MC-360
I generated two maps using 1.4.2, shutting down Minecraft completely and relaunching between the builds (I saw a bug report somewhere, can't remember whether it was here or Minecraft Wiki, where Superflat chunks loaded into a freshly generated Default world of the same name, and wanted to avoid all possibility of encountering that bug during this test.)
The cave structures have a few very minor differences with 1.4, and the abandoned mine configurations are identical between 1.4 and the two 1.4.2 worlds (while in-game, I also noted there was a pig in both of the 1.4.2 worlds on the floor of the ravine at x+182, z+228 approximate.) The cave configurations were identical between the 1.4.2 worlds. The surface configurations were identical between 1.4.2 (both worlds) and 1.4.
However, I noticed something very peculiar in both of the 1.4.2 worlds that did not exist in the 1.4 or 12w27a worlds: There is a Stronghold very close to spawn, End Portal located at x+100 z+89. Since I've heard some horror stories about pre-1.9Pre3 generated worlds resulting in Eyes of Ender leading to useless locations, I am concerned the same might happen to my New Players' Guide world when I get to my "The End" episodes.
The Minecraft Wiki bug tracking pages included a category for "Annoyances" where behaviour appears to be intended, but is inappropriate, sometimes very much so. Mojang listens, otherwise you wouldn't see stuff like "Wooden half-blocks now act as wood" and "Changed method of placing sideways wood logs".
As for world generation: First, I've spotted "Minor additions to the world generator" in the blog, so it isn't totally undocumented by Mojang. Second, changing the world generator can and does piss off an awful lot of people:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/50-seeds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDnHVVV0kU
Confirmed; chase led to update on Minecraft Wiki. Bug affects version 1.2.2. Workaround: Keep only one profile, then log out functions normally. If on a multi-user installation where you can't do this, edit the launcher_profiles.json in /.minecraft as described in an earlier comment.
Something I forgot to add is that you have to select something other than "Close launcher when game starts" in your profile to be able to log out at all, even normally. This sort of practice (default-to-insecure) is something that I disagree with, but unfortunately, it is normal (I almost always see "Stay logged in" or "Remember me on this computer" checked by default on login pages; unfortunately, settings of my browser and those of public workstations to sandblast themselves every time they're closed do not affect Minecraft!)
I tried rather hard to find this bug before duplicating it :/
That proc sounds very familiar... is it a Lenovo T61 w/ Intel 965 GPU? Mine is
MC-42345. Latest operable client on my system is 13w49aMine started crashing in Minecraft 1.7.3 release (no fix in 1.7.4), seems to be coincidental with Twitch support announcement. Latest is that works for me is 13w49a. JRE is 7.0_45-b18; Mobile Intel 965 Express with drivers 8.15.10.1867 (confirmed up-to-date) and a Graphics Media Accelerator library that is newer than the latest one I can download (according to the setup program of the latest one I can download.) My ticket is
MC-42345; Tails "resolved" it like a bot.By the way, I went to Mojang support first and was referred here by Nasim.
Question: Is it related to Twitch integration? If so, can you offer a non-Twitch version? I'm quite certain that there are a heck of a lot more people who'd like to play Minecraft on marginal hardware than there are people who want to stream their games on Twitch all the time.
In my case (Intel 965 Mobile Express) the break happened between Snapshot 13w49a and Release 1.7.3. Might I suggest for the guy mucking with the description (Galaxy_2Alex) to fix it like this:
"For now, you can still play 1.7.2 or older versions of the game. [good instructions] ... You can also try snapshots by checking 'experimental development versions("snapshots")'
"If you are new to Minecraft, and have a laptop with an a built-in (integrated) graphics card, rather than a dedicated card, it is highly suggested that you try the demo before purchase."
If that last bit sounds familiar, it's because I cut-and-pasted it from https://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/325948-minecraft-system-requirements I think it belongs here because Paul Faure and others "paid money for this software, so if it does not work on hardware/software which came out this year..." and it wouldn't be good PR to ignore that.
What has me quite concerned and frustrated is that this break, for me and many others happened on a minor version change... a bugfix release. If my dollar store GPU were butthurt from a major update (i.e. 1.6.4 to 1.7 or (especially) an intervening snapshot), it is perfectly understandable, and therefore easy for me to quietly accept that I need a new toaster. Where it actually happened, between a bugfix snapshot and a bugfix release, is what makes it a major WTF moment for me.
Here's a thought for perhaps making Minecraft 1.7.5 the last version that'll work for these systems: Was the LWJGL library changed between 13w49a and 1.7.3? If so, can it be rolled back (perhaps with the loss of Twitch integration support, the feature that I suspect is causing the problem with 965)? I'm going to try that myself, pop the NIC and see if it changes the behaviour of 1.7.3. See you later.And... it turns out that Minecraft appears to be using LWJGL 2.8.4 and the current version is 2.9.1. Updating it to the latest version had no effect on the behaviour of 1.7.3 or 1.7.4, which still crashed at ig4dev32.dll+0x3e88 (that is always where 1.7.3 and 1.7.4 crashes on my system.)
Were the Twitch libraries brought in 1.7.4? It breaks at 1.7.3 for me. I think it might be useful to know what's actually causing the break Also did you mean "increment" instead of "increasment"? If not, I'm not familiar with the latter term.
Finally, are the Twitch libraries needed for anything more than live streaming? Minecraft is the only game that I've ever heard of that boasts of built-in screen broadcasting support, and I seriously doubt that it is an appropriate feature in any game unless there is a bona fide requirement for the game's multiplayer functionality. I'm not going to be particularly impressed if this is really the reason I can't play the latest versions.
Still confused on "increasment" vs. "increment"...
I couldn't test 13w47a, but 13w47e is working okay on my system. I certainly agree with, "you cannot please everybody", but that sharpens a point I made earlier: if integrated Twitch support is causing this problem, it is probably frustrating more users than it is pleasing. We probably agree that while you can't please everyone, it still makes sense to please as many players as you can.
As for those new zombies, they can eat this as far as I'm concerned
Please remember though, if the game won't start up at all, problems caused by changes to mob behaviour are entirely academic, Twitch streaming even more so.