Mobs spawn at a much higher than normal rate in Nether fortresses, especially in soul sand valleys
Observe how there are an overwhelming amount of mobs spawned at onceLinked Issues
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MC-182052Unusually high blaze spawn ratesDuplicateMC-183003Wither Skeleton and Blaze spawn rates are through the roof.DuplicateMC-183071blaze spawn too much and too fast in everywhere of the nether fortressDuplicateMC-187941Nether fortress mob spawning broken, too many mobsDuplicateMC-188613Wither Skelleton spawning is brokenDuplicateMC-188644Too much hostile mobsDuplicateMC-188730Spawning in Soul Sand Valleys seems to be brokenDuplicateMC-189571Nether mobs spawning at fortress way too mucgDuplicateMC-190515Way too many wither skeletons spawning in fortressesDuplicate
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20w18a - 1.21.2
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Created Issue:
Mobs spawn at a much higher than normal rate in nether fortresses
regardless of difficulty settings, mobs are spawning much higher in nether fortresses than they used to. This includes wither skeletons and blazes.
Blaze mob spawners seem to be spawning the same amount that they used to, it's just the random spawning within the fortress that seems far too high.
(Running dedicated java server 20w18a)
Environment
Windows 10 (1909), java v8u251
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regardless of difficulty settings, mobs are spawning much higher in nether fortresses than they used to. This includes wither skeletons and blazes.Blaze mob spawners seem to be spawning the same amount that they used to, it's just the random spawning within the fortress that seems far too high.
(Running dedicated java server 20w18a)
The bug
Regardless of difficulty settings, mobs are spawning much higher in nether fortresses than they used to. This includes wither skeletons and blazes.
Blaze mob spawners seem to be spawning the same amount that they used to, it's just the random spawning within the fortress that seems far too high.
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No, this is just how the mob spawning algorithm works. If anything is to be considered a bug, it should be that there are not enough mobs spawning outside the Fortress which causes this imbalance. Also, the comment about wither skeleton spawning supposed to be much less than blazes is simply incorrect since wither skeletons have a spawn chance of 8/28 (out of every 28 mobs that spawn about 8 should be wither skeletons) while blazes have a spawn chance of 10/28.
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Died in a hardcore world that i played hours on and had a solid base on, from about 40 blocks away due to hundreds of blazes and no mob cap.
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Mobs spawn at a much higher than normal rate innether fortressesMobs spawn at a much higher than normal rate in Nether fortresses, especially in soul sand valleys
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The bug
Regardless of difficulty settings, mobs are spawning much higher in nether fortresses than they used to. This includes wither skeletons and blazes.Blaze mob spawners seem to be spawning the same amount that they used to, it's just the random spawning within the fortress that seems far too high.
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Thank you for your report!
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Thank you for your report!
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Thank you for your report!
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Alright, I'll throw in MC-182170 - as for ghasts and endermen, I am unable to reproduce.
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The excessive spawning is tracked separately at MC-182170.
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MC-170840Confirmed. This is even worse when a fortress spawns in a soul sand valley. Too many blazes, wither skeletons, zombified piglins, and magma cubes are spawning at the fortress. To reproduce, use the seed -3350813633069355746 and run the following command:
They are not spawning more frequently due to any changes with Fortresses, rather since less mobs are spawning outside a Fortress in Soulsand Valley, or near a Warped Forest, more mobs will spawn in the Fortress. If the mob spawning rate is decreased inside the Fortress, then Fortresses in Nether Wastes or near Crimson Forests will have a lot fewer mobs than they should have. Technically speaking, this is not actually a bug since this behavior could be observed in Fortresses completely surrounded by a large lava lake prior to the Nether Update.
This is a bug, it has to be a bug. Something that would allow there to be that many wither skeletons all at once is a bug. The fact that this only happens because not enough mobs are spawning outside of the fortress in those areas does not change the fact that Nether Fortresses in these areas are entirely unapproachable. There has to be a work-around of sorts.
It is definitely a bug. Wither Skeleton spawns aren't supposed to be frequent. Even if it was just the soul sand valley, it would just be an excess of blazes, since blaze spawns are frequent. Wither Skeleton spawning should be infrequent spawns no matter which biome the fortress is in, so this is definitely a bug.
No, this is just how the mob spawning algorithm works. If anything is to be considered a bug, it should be that there are not enough mobs spawning outside the Fortress which causes this imbalance. Also, the comment about wither skeleton spawning supposed to be much less than blazes is simply incorrect since wither skeletons have a spawn chance of 8/28 (out of every 28 mobs that spawn in a Fortress about 8 should be wither skeletons) while blazes have a spawn chance of 10/28.
Might be a soul sand valley specific issue since my nether fortress in a nether waste biome (and a portion spread into a crimson forest) barely spawns any wither skeletons or natural blazes.
Even if it isn't a bug, something needs to be changed with the spawns because fortresses in soul sand valleys aren't even approachable.
Can someone confirm please if it is in Pre-Release 4? Thanks!
Yes, still occur in pre4
Can confirm, still happens
Those new images are after I did /kill on all the nearby mobs multiple times
Even though skeleton spawning was fixed, this still happens. I have actually seen this glitch happen with fortresses in soul sand valleys, basalt deltas, crimson forests, warped forests, and sometimes even nether wastes (if other biomes are nearby).
Confirmed in 1.16 Pre-release 8.
ongoing with ghasts and skeletons
I sincerely hope this is a bug bc we were not even by a fortress but a soul sand area n hubby n i had to stop playing, even though we started a new game for the nether update but its Unplayable in its current condition. There were at least 50 skeletons n they n the ghast immediately re-spawned after death and esp on soul sand.... its pointless and aggravating to even try...i really hope it gets fixed, bug or not. Thanks!
Can I have ownership of this ticket as the owner has not been active since may?
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Oh, okay.
Shouldn't a mod take ownership of this ticket? Only helpers and mods are updating this.
I don't think this is a bug, as this is intended behavior because the fortress is over a soul sand valley (which has few mob spawning). So majority of the mobcap is taken by the fortress mobs (no zombiefied piglins). That's why wither skeleton farms are very efficient in soul-sand valleys.
This is an issue, especially when the spawn rate is so high that you're swarmed by 6 wither skeletons and 6 blazes all at once, and as soon as you kill them you turn around, walk back, and there's 6 more to merk your face.
Strange thing, I can't seem to replicate even though this is confirmed. I ran around for around an hour waiting for mobs to spawn and only got a couple blazes, very few withers and skeletons, and practically no zombie piglins; it seemed the rate was low, possibly even more than normal. It was in the basalt delta biome, though, so maybe that affected it.So I generated a new fortress in the soul sand valley biome, and sure enough, it does depend on the biome. Extremely high spawn rates, especially compared to my other fortress which is in the nether wastes and basalt delta biome.
Does this occur in warped forest biomes as well, or just soul sand valleys?
Can confirm for 1.17.1 Prelease 1.
To me, this only seems to occur in soul sand valleys. I have a fortress partially on a warped forest and the spawn rate is normal. Though according to gaspoweredpick's comment, it happens on all biomes.
Requesting ownership as the owner hasn’t been active in over a year and this issue no longer gets properly updated.
Can confirm in 22w11a.
Can confirm in 1.20 pre-release 6. Happened upon a nether fortress in a soul sand valley and it has an overwhelming amount of blazes and wither skeletons especially.
This is because the only mobs that spawn in soul sand valleys are skeletons, Minecraft limits the mob spawning in soul sand valleys and warped forests because they want it to appear more sparse. This means that you don't have to spawnproof these biomes for wither skeleton farms, as this is what this mechanic is most useful for mainly.
In 23w40a